epicurean philosophy looks towards the long term of form of happiness meanwhile Stoic philosophy look towards immediate pleasures.
i believe both philosophy are right to a certain extent. for Stoics they are just following what they want witch is immediate pleasure. u cant really blame them for want that to me it just like a natural instinct that they willing give into. and in a way they don't need to plan for the future since if you keep living in the present your looking for constant pleasure and that turns into your future.
but for Epicureans they want to look ahead to achieve there future goals and are willing to sacrifice immidaite or future pleasures. to me they are like kids saving up money to buy a expansive toy the see all the other kids buy small cheap things but there willing to wait for the big prize.
to me both seem like a good way to go about life just one requires more patience and the other is very fickle.
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Epicureans aim for future pleasure, and take accomplishing goals in high esteem. They are therefore, not really willing to sacrifice for them like you said because that's really all they have. Also, you seem to argue more for epicurean so I don't know if saying you think both are a good way to go. Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteYou need to read the question a bit more carefully. The pursuit of short-term happiness is typically associated with Hedonism, not Stoicism. Stoics do not concern themselves with immediate, personal happiness--merely longevity. They don't see winning the lottery as any better than a lightning storm wrecking their home.
ReplyDeleteUnlike Epicureans, Stoics don't calculate how to get the most pain free (or happiest) future--they simply believe that everything happens for a reason and try to live with it. Don't confuse the idea of living in the moment ("carpe diem") with the idea of short term pleasure. Carpe diem is a simple way of saying "No matter what life throws at me, I'm not going to let it bring me down. I’m going to survive.”
You're right that Epicureans look at the long term, but only in a narrow way. They look at how to minimize pain in their life. That is their only long term goal.
What I wanted to know is if Stoics have a point when they say that Epicureans make a mistake in trying to live a life free from as much pain as possible.